Something else you need to take into your thoughts : at the time of UO, there were not much choices of game, so every MMO players ended up on a few games, meaning UO had crafters, traders, explorers, carebears, PKs, all in the same world, which forced them to coexists, and make few rules and swear by.

Nowadays, crafters are on LOTRO, traders are on EVE, carebears are on WoW, PKs are on DF, and explorers are wherever. Each type has its own game.

But ofc I agree on what you said, the whole genre is going worse and worse and every new game supposed to save it is dooming MMO players a bit more. But I'm sure [insert the next overhyped game, ill say ArcheAge] will save our world.

Hehe - you're so right bakath! The good old days, you spent one evening running for your life, the other ganging up on a thief and the third sitting at the river side and cought in idle chatter, merely socializing for the fun of it. I miss those good days...

Not that I'd mind the individual maniac mass murder, who now inhabits pvp-worlds, but it would be nice to also see some other population every now and then. I guess those days will never return though, unless all but one MMORPG disapear from the market

Don't mention Darkfall though! Not getting an account months into the game, despite beta participation,... no further comment needed. Should you folks ever hear of a nice pvp world with extensive crafting system though, let me know and I'll try make up for my lack in Darkfall.

UO... what memories =) Good times!

I agree with you also Bak, there really is no fun in MMOs.  Rift was the last one I stopped playing when the truth finally hit.  What?  you're dps tracker says I suck, so until I have the exact build you specify, i can go collect crafting gear?  And the whole, do this raid, grind it, love it, do it til your fingers bleed...because if you don't, you can't get the shiny that lets you do the next one, and the next one, and the next....wtf?  What am I doing here?  Endless grinding for crap that will be useless after you finish the next grind raid.  What happened to the free world like you mentioned?  The danger is gone, the exploration is gone, we can look up anything and everything about a game before we even do it.  You're told what to do and how to do it at every turn.  That's not fun, and the rapidity with which you see games folding and losing players is the proof.  We all are coming to the same conclusion.

I'm surprised the game companies don't hunt down the walk-through, character build sites for stealing their content and using it to drive ads for the rats own website.

Times change, the MMO has run it's course.  If you think about it, with all the gaming power we have to create with today, where are the good, mystery, cloak and dagger games, with rich social aspects like a bank account, to buy a home, a vault to store your crap, start a small business to make passive income selling chickens or rail guns?  Form a guild, build a city, mark your territory, and try to hold on to it, etc.

Oh, their too hard, you actually have to think.  So they just turn them into combat games.

Another thought, did you play the original FarCry?  Was that not awesome?  Why?  You had no clue what was going on and what to expect.  That cluelessness is what makes a game good - the exploration, the unknown.  Bah enough, you are right, we can write forever about it.

Anyone for a game of Magic the Gathering or D&D on Sunday?  I'll bring Easter Candy!  8-)

Peace.

Something else you need to take into your thoughts : at the time of UO, there were not much choices of game, so every MMO players ended up on a few games, meaning UO had crafters, traders, explorers, carebears, PKs, all in the same world, which forced them to coexists, and make few rules and swear by.

 

Nowadays, crafters are on LOTRO, traders are on EVE, carebears are on WoW, PKs are on DF, and explorers are wherever. Each type has its own game.

 

But ofc I agree on what you said, the whole genre is going worse and worse and every new game supposed to save it is dooming MMO players a bit more. But I'm sure [insert the next overhyped game, ill say ArcheAge] will save our world.

What did he say about Archage?

 What a great post Bakath :). There is alot of UO that I miss but there is alot that I dont. I do want to thank you for allowing me to tag along with you and Grim on the shard when you were still playing there and I was getting tired of Star Wars or GW2. Hopefully you both are finding a new home in which ever game you are playing now. 

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Not sure if you have seen it Grim but there is another UO clone out there named Legends of Aria. I havent tried it because I am commited to SoTA but there are a number of players who have left SoTA to play it. It is developed by 2 or 3 of the people who worked on UO.

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